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Wait, you guys have politicians named by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 5) #1 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 01:08:27 AM EST

Obama and Clinton? Whoa! My gourd! Oh wait, I forgot, that's just our melodrama, rubbing up on you. Sorry about that. Sometimes we forget our mass.

Wikipedia, on the other hand, is hopeless. This is true, quite simply, because humanity is hopeless. But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.


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The UK versions . . . by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 2) #3 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:50:36 AM EST
Are both from the House of Lords, hence the concern about republicans.

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Give up the busking, get a stand-up gig instead by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #2 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 03:32:23 AM EST
I'm sure Channel 4 will give you Mark Thomas's old spot.  However, if you're going to Zionist-bait, can you work in a something about Prophet Moohamud and paedophillia as well, just for balance?

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They say by motty (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 10:56:49 AM EST
Write about what you know. Then again they talk a lot of shit - if people actually did that there would be no more newspapers or magazines. Or internet. Or publishing industry. So I'll bear it in mind.

I amd itn ecaptiaghle of drinking sthis d dar - Dr T
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Zionism by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #4 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:04:24 AM EST
Excuse my ignorance, but can you define it? I'm a little confused as to why it would be better for anti-Zionists to be Zionists. Isn't there a fundamental ideological difference?

I thuogh I saw you busking a couple of weeks ago in a tube station in central London. Can't remember which one. It was a Saturday. I wasn't sure if it was you or not but I should have said hello anyway. In my defence I had a stinking hangover and just wanted to go home and have a lie down.

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Won't have been me by motty (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:14:22 AM EST
I haven't busked on a Saturday yet.

To put it in a nutshell, anti-Zionists - especially Jewish anti-Zionists - who like to define their whole view of the middle east around being opposed to the actions, nature and very existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish state usually talk about a kind of semi-strawman Zionism which is intrinsically expansionist, racist and colonial. I say semi-strawman as although there have been voices within Zionism warning against exactly this kind of thing since Ahad Haam's essays in the late 19th century (ie the very beginning), followed by Martin Buber and Judah Magnes and HaShomer HaTzair, in the first half of the twentieth century, followed by various groups and movements post 1948, it is not easy to tell sometimes whether there are any non-racist non-expansionist Zionist voices left as everyone seems to have agreed that Zionism should be abandoned to the racists. Amos Oz writes somewhere about the fait accompli of 1948 changing everything, following which the non-statist Zionists either had to accept the state of Israel or become anti-Zionists. Or just sort of shut up a bit. It wasn't always like that - as the fruits of cultural Zionism flowered and bloomed, and a regenerated Hebrew speaking culture grew in Palestine, Cultural Zionism itself withered and died as it was not needed any more, leaving Zionism itself as a rather ugly shell of what had previously been Political Zionism, which most people but not everyone agreed had to do with the idea that a specifically Jewish state is central to the whole thing. The ideological difference between the anti-Zionists and the Zionists is over whether or not there should be a Jewish state but in Realpolitik terms, that used to be a debate that took place within Zionism itself and now no longer does; the debate is no longer much of a debate and more of a poo-flinging match and as the last remaining pro-Palestinian Ahad Ha-amian Zionist on earth I am rather tired of it.

I amd itn ecaptiaghle of drinking sthis d dar - Dr T
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I understand by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #22 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:51:01 AM EST
Same old story, isn't it? Compromise is the only way.

I've come across anti-Zionism as a sort of militant disinterest before, along the lines of "I'm Jewish, but why the fuck does that mean I have to take an interest in Israel?" That has a certain logic to it.

I think I'm with you though.

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Reply from Hell by anonimouse (4.00 / 2) #5 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:44:14 AM EST
Dear Brain,

Re: Penis Regardless of the consequences, listen to your penis more, it will make you much less grumpy. :-)

Re: Alcohol please try and limit intake, doing so will improve your playing ability and thus get you more money.

Re: Wimmins, a sign saying "please recognise my 1337 playing skills with money"

However, on both subjects please remember the adage "a little of what you fancy does you good"

Re: Hillary/ Obama. You are not a USian so who gives a fuck

Re: Zionists/ Anti-Zionists. $hillaryobama =~ s/USian/Jewish or Palestinian/

Re: Gordon. Hahahahaha. You should have realised by now that he is The Antichrist, tasked with twisting the party of Good into it's antithesis.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


Thanks by motty (4.00 / 1) #18 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:20:47 AM EST
You're quite right that there is no need to give a fuck about the US presidency. After all, it's not like the US ever does anything that affects the rest of the world.

I know that the vast bulk of stuff written about Zionism is by people who don't actually have any kind of personal stake in it and just like to troll those of us who do, but that isn't what is happening here. If I were Palestinian I'd be taking the piss out of Hamas and Fatah instead, another rich vein of comedy I am sure.

I amd itn ecaptiaghle of drinking sthis d dar - Dr T
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Gordon by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #6 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:06:11 AM EST
Makes me regret Tony "blood on his hands" Blair's departure that's how bad he is and boy was I glad to see the back of him.



I'm not. by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #8 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:01:55 AM EST

Sure, Gordon's a stiff, and the lack of anything even vaguely resembling a credible leader on any front is a depressing prospect, but recent interviews with Blair have confirmed that his paper-thin relationship with reality has been even further eroded. There was some research a while ago which purported to show that the act of simply being on Death Row[*] had a tendency to make a person insane, whether or not they were to start with; that, if you weren't mad when you entered the fifteen-year waiting room, you almast certainly would be when you got to the front of the queue. I'm coming to believe that being PM for a significant period of time carries similar mental health issues (see also: Thatcher).

Watching Blair paranoiacly going through the mental 'dangerous spin' checklist, briefly leaking a rabbit-in-the-headlights facial expression, every time he's asked a question is a painful experience, with him having to equivocate everything to the Nth degree before adding a miniscule bias to communicate what he actually thinks. He might be very media-capable, but he's not the sort of man I want in charge of the HMS UKia. Headlining at the Hippodrome is more his forte (and, I suspect, always was).

[*] - the state of incarceration, not the west-coast 'gangsta' record label, although ...


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I wonder in Gordon thinks by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #10 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:48:46 AM EST
being PM such wonderful prize after all? He could get away with not appearing in public or blaming Blair for any difficulties when he was Chancellor.

Blair is a nutter but they all are. I hardly call Gordon "normal". Possibly John Major was probably the sanest one of the recent bunch of PMs.

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It's incredible, really. by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #11 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 10:03:22 AM EST

I remember the Major government very well and it was always involved in some ruckus or other (usually sleaze). At the time, people (including me) couldn't wait to be rid of them but, looking back, it was probably one of the saner administrations of modern times, precisely because its minute Major-ity (sorry ...) meant it couldn't actually do very much. I don't think it was particularly good, just dead-in-the-water, which meant that, one or two noxious bills aside, it was relatively harmless.

In Labour's first term they were actually constrained by spin, as they had to shift the classical interpretation of a Labour Government. That wasn't too bad, either. Heh: Remember a time when the most pressing issue was whether we were going to join the Euro and, if so, when? Seems a long time ago now.


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Yeah by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 10:14:05 AM EST
Apart from rail privitisation of course, they weren't that bad after they finally worked out how to run the economy (which Labour copied)after Black Wednesday.

Had a couple of decent ministers in the shape of Ken Clarke and Michael Hesaltine.

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My main memory of the Major government by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #13 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 10:47:26 AM EST
Was when the Wage Copucils were abolished, my pay was cut and I had to apply for Housing Benefit and income support (which were also cut the following year) to top up my wages. So excuse me if I don't go all wistful at the memory.

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I, also, by yicky yacky (4.00 / 2) #15 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:12:05 AM EST

had a spell on income support and housing benefit during the Major years. While hardly desirable, it wasn't so bad. Given inflation and the rising cost of living, it's not really any better now, looking at the figures. Families in that state are incrementally better-off now, sure, but not singletons.


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I was working by nebbish (4.00 / 2) #17 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:15:00 AM EST
And saw my pay cut dramatically whilst doing the same job for the same employer (I was on a temporary contract). It didn't feel very fair.

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Really? by yicky yacky (4.00 / 3) #20 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:33:14 AM EST

I was made redundant. The thing is that the Major government was having to pull down the overspend and try to decrease the interest rate and inflation in the wake of Black Thursday. Labour did exactly the same thing as the Tories in the first three years (a feat which even notable conservatives of that era have conceded they didn't think could actually be done). Labour got a lot of leeway because of the honeymoon effect, but in financial reality they were actually more ruthless than the Tories were during that period. Our relative prosperity since is almost entirely down to them (both parties) having done that then.

The mistake you're making (IMO) is in personalising the issue. There were people in 2000 and there are people right now going through exactly the same shit we went through then, and blaming the government of the day for it. Government ministers don't give a toss, red or blue; it's an entirely impersonal system designed as a trade-off between economic viability and social well-being. Under both systems, you're still just a number.

I heard a very entertaining theory about Black Thursday, incidentally, but I'll save it for another time.


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No - go on by nebbish (4.00 / 2) #21 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:46:03 AM EST
I want to hear it!

I'm trying to illustrate by example, but it probably wasn't a very good idea. I think getting rid of the minimum wage was the single cruelest, most short-sighted domestic political decision made in my lifetime. It plunged millions of people in full time employment into poverty. Wages of £1 an hour were common for agency workers. It speaks volumes that it was so short lived and is so universally dismissed now.

I can't think of any positives from the Major government apart from the peace process in Northern Ireland, which was driven by other factors anyway. Foreign policy was defined by inaction (Rwanda and the Balkans), which to me is more damning than Iraq, where at least Blair had a go - and Major had the considerable advantage of having someone relatively competent in the White House.

I just can't see any redeeming features of that government at all.

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Hey. by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #23 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 12:08:00 PM EST

I never said they were good, just that they were relatively impotent -- which in this day and age of gesture politics and the erosion of civil liberties is increasingly coming to mean the same thing.

Hmm. The theory. I'll PM you.


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That and tuition fees by nebbish (4.00 / 2) #28 Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 08:27:00 AM EST
Have been my main bugbear with New Labour. They sort of counteracted it with their sneaky redistribution of wealth, which I agree with - but that's another argument.

Another thing about the Major years was the underinvestment in infrastructure. That's turned out to be a massive burden.

But anyway, Everton for the Champions League eh? I have to say I'm finding it all quite stressful. My brother-in-law probably hasn't got any hair or nails left.

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I'm not getting by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #29 Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 11:33:59 AM EST

too wrapped up in Everton's progress this season. Sure, I'm watching the results and the table like a hawk, but I've still got this residual feeling that we are going to get caught, so I'm deliberately not letting myself get swept-up in anticipation.

On paper, I'd rate Villa and City's squads (inc. manager) as being roughly equal to ours (although Arteta is pretty unique), and they're both only one win back; and -- don't tell anyone -- but I'd rate Liverpool's as being slightly better, and they're equal if they win the game-in-hand.

Having said that (cliche time!), you'd always prefer points-in-the-bank to games-in-hand and Everton have managed to go through quite a serious little bad spell in the last three or four weeks and yet still be in the Champion's League spots; still in roughly the same position they were in six weeks ago. If they keep playing as they have been recently, they'll get caught; if they play as they did during the second "quarter" of the season, I'm moderately optimistic. We've also got a few key players back from the African Nations Cup now, without having slipped too badly (mind you, so have Portsmouth). At the beginning of the season I'd have gratefully settled for a UEFA spot again, so provided they manage that, I'll still be happy. Still ... The Show, eh .. one can hope.


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who else was a great orator by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #7 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:30:25 AM EST
Lincoln, who also was from Illinois. Both Roosevelts. Kennedy.

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I thought he was referring to Chretien? (nt) by Driusan (4.00 / 3) #9 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:15:27 AM EST


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I think he means Ron Paul by joh3n (4.00 / 3) #19 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:31:41 AM EST

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generally by MillMan (4.00 / 8) #24 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 01:28:21 PM EST
"meaningless sex" is better than no sex at all. Hurt her? Don't kid yourself.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?


And with the vocabulary of a peanut, by greyrat (4.00 / 4) #25 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 02:58:11 PM EST
you don't have to worry about having those annoying deep conversations afterward. Come to think of it, can I have her number?
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well by MillMan (4.00 / 1) #30 Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 02:34:25 PM EST
I do like such things. I like close emotional connections. At the same time, I can enjoy sex with people I barely know.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?
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Listen to your penis. by vorheesleatherface (4.00 / 5) #26 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 03:57:28 PM EST
Just make sure he has his rain gear.

You don't really want to pass up an opportunity to have sex with a really sexy chick and then regret having missed your chance do you?

"Stabbing someone in the head with a pitchfork is rarely beneficial to the relationship." - MereKat


Dear Husi by garlic (3.00 / 2) #27 Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:34:40 PM EST
VS2FP

you're welcome...